Tuesday, May 24, 2005

Inside the warped mind of people at Rabble.com

Why Conservatives should thank Chuck Cadman>by Murray Dobbin May 22, 2005

The article I came across by this title at the link above (click on this posting's title to go to the link..), is a good example of left-wing warped logic. I will post extracts (in red type), and comment (in the blue), on them for your amusement.

For all the talk of a dysfunctional House of Commons, what has transpired over the past few weeks is precisely the opposite. Oh, to be sure, for Bay Street, newspaper editors, hysterical right wing pundits like Andrew Coyne of the National Post and the self-absorbed Rex Murphy of the CBC, it is dysfunctional because the dismantling of the country has been put on hold. That, after all, has been the “function” of the House of Commons under Tories and Liberals ever since the free trade deal went through after the 1988 election. But if you are talking about government functioning in the interests of ordinary Canadians, families, communities and the nation, Parliament functioned better this past week than it has at any time in the past 20 years.

- No offense Dobbin (you know the guy in Harry Potter by chance?), but the house is entirly dysfunctional. We had 9 days of a government with no rights whatsoever governing with the Queen here no doubt. I notice that you had to lash out at the FEW MSM So-called Conservative voices in this country, compared to the thousands on your side! Yeah things are good all right, Buzz-saw Hargrove got to dictate a budget that likely never will be: ah the joy in Dipper land (NDP's).

Forget the lack of so-called “decorum,” the name-calling, the opportunism of the Liberals and the motives of Belinda Stronach. Who cares? If you are keeping your eye on the prize, for the first time in a long time, Canadians actually got out of a federal government what they have been saying for over a decade that they want: a return to activist government which operates in their interests and not in the exclusive interests of corporations and the wealthy.

- See why people don't like socialists Dobbin? Any means to an end for you people isn't it? What people are you talking about here that want activist government (code words for communism by chance?), oh say 15% of the population? If you got a problem with corporations and the wealthy then why did you get into the bed with PMPM, we all know who they service on a regular basis.

And they got it because the NDP's leader Jack Layton was able to leverage just 19 seats — a fifth of what the over-represented Conservatives have — to achieve a package of progressive funding arrangements for the environment, cities, affordable housing, child care and universities. All the machinations aside, that is what happened on May 19 as the Liberal government managed to win a budget vote by the skin of its teeth.

- Now Jackal is a hero (Jack Layton)! You sided with the dark side to achieve this (oh I forgot you are the dark side). Funny that you mentioned many of these issues because obviously, YOU NEVER EVER READ any of the conservative policies yet! The bigger question is this: When is the NDP to be absorbed by the LPC? Rumours are flying around that the dippers days are numbered.

Harper can't win

There is, of course, no need to get delusional about what happened. Paul Martin, in his best of all possible worlds, is as obedient a hand maiden of Bay Street as ever walked the halls of Parliament. As finance minister for nine years he did more to dismantle the fabric of Canada's social programs than even Brian Mulroney dared to do — and in the process also managed to give obscene tax breaks to the wealthy and to large corporations that also out-paced Mulroney.

- What is this a back-handed compliment to Brian Mulroney? What does Harper can't win have to do with this - is that on your wish list? Furthermore what part of CPC is a lot like the PC's that you recognize these days, I know a lot of lefty's are having problems with this.

And it is a certainty that Martin supports Bay Street's “deep integration” initiative by which what is left of Canada would be handed over to the US — a sacrifice in the interests of Canadian corporations who can't compete with their US counterparts. He is deeply committed, as well, to massive privatization through public private partnerships — a program that has simply been put on the shelf waiting for a Liberal majority.

- This will be bad for your union buddies that is for sure. But many of them have become fat cats of their own type in recent decades and I have no sympathy for many of them. This still doesn explain why Jackal didn't help to being down the Libranos to force an election when he was riding high in the polls? But I know that you would rather sacrifice the NDP's future to ensure that the dreaded conservatives never get elected. At least that is what PMPM talked Jackal into doing. You are rubber stamping your own demise right here right now.

The only thing preventing this horrendous agenda from going forward are the 19 NDP MPs whose influence is far greater than their numbers suggest. Not only do those numbers count in this House but they give the progressives in the Liberal caucus the backbone they need to resist a right-wing prime minister. If Martin had a majority, he would silence these dissidents with the same ruthless efficiency with which he silenced his opponents in the Liberal leadership race.

- Horrendous agenda! Wow what drama you weave. Yeah the 19 Dippers saved Kanada all right. But you still don't explain why you caved in to Martin. Are you so desparate to never see Canada ever go right again, even a small amount that you would sacrifice yourselves to do it? If so how does that make you any more scary than the Christians and other such religious types that you attack every day? You know the messaniac bunch, look in the mirror socialist and see yourself too. Nice of you to mention the Blood Red Liberals, I had forgotten about them, seems your kind has infiltrated every aspect of this once wonderful country.

As for the leader of the loyal opposition, Stephen Harper just doesn't get it. Hidden in the media spin surrounding the budget votes is all the evidence the Conservative Party needs to rid itself of the man who cannot possibly win them power. Far be it from me to help this Reform/Alliance retread party be more effective, given its draconian, hidden agenda. But the fact is, this extremist agenda is exactly what Harper brings to the party.

- Why can he not win? I say he wins easily before Jackal does. Did you not say that the Dippers had the ears of many Canadians, they prove it, pony up the ridings then. Also, I'm tired of this hidden agenda whatever the hell it is.. Then please tell us What You Think It IS Then! Last time I checked you and your friends had a hidden extremist agenda - socialism which then could lead to communism!! Regarding Harper, I got news for you, he is probably a moderate in this conservative party right now. You should be kissing his ass frankly and hoping he is elected, because I do know hard-core right wingers that would love to take down people like you.


If the Conservatives actually chose someone from the old Progressive Conservative wing of their party as leader, not only would they do better, but Canada would not be constantly threatened by Harper's vision of creating a carbon copy of the US north of the border. While Harper is almost pathologically committed to an American vision of the country, what's left of the old PCs — especially the Red Tories — might just have enough good sense left to recognize that Canadians are moving to the left in their values and policy preferences.

- Oh you mean the socialist wing don't you? Sorry but Canada has shifted far too left in the past 50 years for my liking, furthermore the lefties running this country have only left it broke, broken and dysfunctional. The so called Canadian values are only those of the media and it's owners, the 80+% of journalists that are left-wing by preference. You will soon see what real-Canadian values are buddy. In regards the US, we are so damned lucky that we border on that country and not Russia, that I pray to God for thanks!! If we were not bordering on the US, your Russian buddies would have invaded us years ago. But you would like that Dobbin because you would have been a big shot in the communist system right? Maybe you would be standing in line right now waiting to buy a stale loaf of bread, and not have time to write crap like you wrote.

The Stronach wing

Of course the likelihood of this happening is very slim as the majority in the party is made up of old Alliance members, including all the extremist nut-bars who stopped Preston Manning at the Manitoba border. But old PC Conservatives in Ontario (of the Belinda Stronach school) must be looking at Stephen Harper and realizing that under his leadership they are doomed to lose. Even on the eve of the budget vote, the Liberals were suddenly back into a commanding 15-point lead in the province, according to an Ekos poll. If Conservative MPs have any sense they should be phoning Chuck Cadman and thanking him. Had there been election, Harper and his party would have been hammered in every part of the country except Alberta and Saskatchewan.

- Last time I checked, the NDP was considered extremist because they only command 15% of the vote, with many of their supporters being hard-core socialists and unionists. Last time I checked the liberals did not have a 15% lead in the polls in Ontario, not that it means much either way because much of those supporters would be in metro Toronto, the freak capital of Canada. Yes, we are going to thank Chucky Cadman, thank him for being a backstabber and a closet NDPer! Don't turn your back Chuck, you are not liked. Oh, and Dobbin, if we were to be hammered in an election then why were all of you lefties so desparate to avoid one?

Just what would Harper have offered Canadians? His campaign, if he was honest, would have sounded something like this: “Vote for me. I just forced an election on the 65 per cent of you who didn't want one. I just declared that the Gomery inquiry is irrelevant and so too is your desire to hear him out. I think spending $250 million on an unwanted election is not too high a price to pay for my ambition. And, oh yes, I voted for the old budget — but explicitly opposed the NDP budget changes and more money for education, housing, child care, the environment and cities.”

- What is funny is that you have not said one word about the Bloc yet, why is that? Afraid to offend them for your liberal buddies? Taking talking points from the PMO? Or are you hoping to actually pull a few votes there is future? Well dream on! The Gomery inquiry that you love so much is a white wash just like Bob Rae has been working for the past 5 years on the government dime and producing nothing, he was one of the most hated premiers ever in this country! In regards the $250 million, it is a small price to pay to save this Kanda from the daily and constant raping of it by these liberals but you do not see it that way - as long as your friends can join in too. We voted against the changes your commie friends wanted in the budget because they were SOPS to you dippers (since Martin had never seen fit to implement such spending on his own watch), and we had our own policies which you should be aware of. So you hate us because we didn't give you what you wanted? What children!! I hate you now because you are hypocrites, hopelessly biased, and bigots! Furthermore, your leader has shown his true stripes, he is so committed to socialism that he would shoot himself in the foot to achieve it. That means that any Canadian that is moderate or right of centre, should never ever trust a dipper again!

Way to go Stephen.

- I concur, you keep truckin' Stephen, save this beautiful country from the commies!

Murray Dobbin is the author of Paul Martin: CEO for Canada? This column has appeared in The Tyee.

- Yeah he wrote the book but he learned nothing from it, go figure?



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